@verge it has a privacy violation problem, it has a hate speech platform problem, it has a f the Fediverse problem. And I'm damn glad I'm on an instance that blocks those bastards. #fedipact
Mastodon meta, Meta
@rwg awww may I sheepishly admit this is the first time I hear about #FediPact?
I ran a search and found a website listing all the instances blocking Meta. Is that it? Where may I find out more about it?
Mastodon meta, Meta
yes to both.
As a side effect, Threads has caused a massive rift on the fediverse, with some folks (including me) signing the #fedipact, and others arguing against it.
All that consternation because of a company that fundamentally does not give two shits about the fediverse.
embrace, extend, extinguish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
and i am not sure why certain people in positions to defederate from threads do not understand the radioactively obvious threat, and immediately defederate
Yeah I noticed that too. In my other reply to @willoremus I mentioned that while Eugen et al are very welcoming to #threads, many others aren't, so Meta's wise to tread carefully ... but it would be great to see more in-depth exploration of that. And while #FediPact has taken the lead, the opposition to Meta is a lot broader -- in fact there's a pretty intense thread on the #socialhub forums now with perspectives from several fediverse developers.
@willoremus thanks for the gift link! The article makes some good points -- and I really like your phrasing of Meta's "gesturing" at interoperability.
On the other hand, when you talk about Meta's strategy, it's worth highlighting how much benefit they're getting just from from gesturing. As @laurenshof of @fediversereport points out, they've mastered the art of using tiny incremental improvements in fediverse-related functionality to get positive press. Including this article!
So at least in the short term, while I agree with @Gargron that so far Threads is only dipping their toe in, what's their real incentive to do more? After all, Mastodon has less than a million users -- not that many more than before the Apartheid Clyde acquired Twitter two years ago. And while many white male fediverse influencers are very gung-ho about Meta, there are also a lot of people who don't want them here. So they're very wise to tread carefully. And while I'm rarely one to praise Meta on many fronts, I think their decision to make federation opt-in for Threads users was a great one. It's pretty funny, but also sad, that some of their supporters here have criticized that decision.
Still, Meta's clearly keeping their options open to do more than just gesturing. In Embrace, Extend, and Exploit: Meta's plan for ActivityPub, Mastodon and the Fediverse I talked about how they could try to use the Fediverse to help shape regulation and as a platform for decentralized surveillance capitalism ... time will tell.
In any case @Sarahp reported that Meta's one of the funders for the new @swf, so that's more evidence that they see it as useful to keep gesturing -- and I saw one of SWF's founders say that they'd make sure some of that money goes to Mastodon, so Meta still sees Mastodon as useful as well. It'll be interesting to see how things work out!
#fediverse #threads #fedipact @fediversenews
@willoremus An entire article about #Threads without mentioning #Fedipact or quoting someone prominent, e.g. @jdp23, on it? That unresolved "and some wariness [that we are not going to talk about]" sticks out like a sore thumb.
@darnell @TechCrunch still blocking f Meta. #fedipact
honestly have yet to make an official fedipact statement on this new social web foundation thingy because i'm burnt out on metas lmao
absolutely the fuck not @FediPact #fedipact https://socialwebfoundation.org/2024/09/24/launch/
“You can say ‘all are welcome’, but if wolves and sheep are both welcome then you’re only going to get wolves. The smart sheep will go somewhere else and the naïve sheep will be eaten and processed. If you welcome Islamophobes and Muslims then you’ll get Islamophobes. If you welcome Klan members and people of color then you’ll get Klan members. If you welcome nativists and immigrant you’ll get nativists."
- Adam Bates
Listen to minorities. Keep #mastodon safe
#fedipact #lgbtq
People seriously need to recognize that the #fedipact is about safety. It is not about not wanting larger companies in the fediverse. There is no one complaining about Flipboard or Tumblr joining because they do not have the possibility of making the fediverse and mastodon unsafe. Threads actively boost discriminatory speech and misinformation while suppressing minorities.
If they did not do this there would not be an issue. All threads will do is cause the fediverse to become another twitter.